respond to both of these responses wheather you agree or disagree reformation –

Please write at least one page for both responses

min 300 words

Student #1 Response

First off I just want to say, how insane would it have been to live in England while this was all going on? Holy crap. I can’t imagine how hard it would have been to live under the different rulers (Henry VIII, Edward VI, Mary I (scary), Elizabeth I). With all the flip flopping of what was ok in England I imagine it was probably really frustrating for some people that were in to the reformation messages. I mean going from Edward VI to Mary I had to be a brutal transition to live through. Why couldn’t she just tell those people to leave? Why did she burn so many of them?

Something that I thought was interesting was the difference between Luther and Calvin in how they spread their message. To me at least it seems that Calvin was way better at spreading his message effectively because of the institution he was trying to create at the same time. Luther on the other hand would just publish things for people to read. Calvin was preaching at a church, he was the first to implement the idea of two kingdoms, the religious rulers and the civic rulers working together. Correct me if I am wrong, but from what I understood, because of his additional efforts to work with the civic rulers, Calvin’s relationship with civic leaders was far less tumultuous than Luther’s was. This allowed his message to be tolerated better. I think the level of organization he was implementing as well in his church was helping with the stability of the organization. He implemented the roles of Pastors, Doctors, Elders and Deacons each with their own duties. His decision to only let current pastors choose new pastors I thought was an excellent move as well to maintain control of the growing organization. Overall, I found it fairly interesting to learn about John Calvin. Especially when it came to the Eucharist and learning about how he disagreed with both Luther and Zwingli. He claimed that Zwingli was leaving nothing but the bare bones while he also ridiculed Luther’s doctrine of ubiquity (McCulloch 248-250).

Student #2 Response

As I was reading this module’s chapter’s, I couldn’t help but wonder what would have been of John Calvin if events didn’t pan out the way that they did. He had made his way back to Geneva, and with the death of King François I in 1547, he had the confidence and flexibility to really speak his mind at such a large scale. His high profile status seemed to be unmatched elsewhere. He went out of his way to compare hiding/secret Protestants to Nicodemus the Pharisee, who was regarded as a coward for only coming to Christ at night out of fear. Those less fortunate Protestants were quick to mention that it was much easier to live such a purist life if one was sitting safely in Geneva, as was Calvin (page 276). If Calvin wouldn’t have made his way to Geneva and made alliances with powerful people, would he have been able to have the freedom to say what he did? It makes me wonder if anyone else would have stepped in, or if he would have met the same fate as Michael Servetus.